I found this 2003 interview with Carl Dudley in SCUPE's archive where he talks about the wonderful qualities of small urban churches (Carl passed away last month). His words then about small urban churches and also about small churches still resonate today. I thought you would enjoy reading and reflecting on his comments.
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Allowing the Small Urban Church to Thrive – Interview With
Carl Dudley
CityVoices newsletter: October 25, 2003. This interview was conducted by Roger Johnson, editor of
CityVoices. CityVoices is produced by
the Seminarian Consortium for Urban Pastoral Education (SCUPE), Chicago.
For many years, Dr. Carl Dudley has served as a professor and
congregational analyst, most recently at Hartford Seminary and the Hartford
Institute for Religion Research. In 1978, while teaching at McCormick Seminary
in Chicago, he wrote “Making the Small Church Effective,” establishing his
place as one of America’s experts on the dynamics of local church life. He has
now published an update to that volume, “Effective Small Churches in the 21st
Century.”
Many city churches (neighborhood, ethnic or storefront) are small
churches. What should we understand about these small congregations?
The small churches, let’s be clear, are the oldest form of Christian faith.
When you say “small,” it’s usually in comparison to something else which is
bigger. And the bigger churches are what have grown. What is new in the 20th
and 21st century are the large, and now the megachurches that dwarf anything
else. But in fact, the small churches are becoming more numerous.
The press likes to concentrate on the churches large enough to maintain a
professional clergy and a program, and that kind of thing. Probably, only
one-third of congregations in the United States are large enough to comfortably
maintain a staff. Somewhere around two-thirds of the churches are below 125 in
regular participating adults, fifty percent are below 100 in regular
participating adults. So, it shouldn’t be thought of as unusual to be small.
They’re the oldest and the most universal form of Christian faith.
Where the statistic is interesting, is a ratio that I call “50 to 15.” It
works in two ways. Fifty percent of the members of most denominations, are in
the largest 15 percent of the churches. And 50 percent of the churches have
about 15 percent of the members, that’s 50 percent of the smaller churches have
about 15 percent of the total membership of denominations. And they are served
by about the same number of clergy.
So you’ve got a disparity that organizational types want to “clean up.” The
reason it can’t be cleaned up is that small churches are not a continuous flow
of congregations from large to small. Small churches are a different breed.
They’re a different experience. It’s not like people don’t know they could go
to large churches. They just decide they want to maintain small churches. And
they do it because of intimacy. Because of the kind of caring that is typical
in a small congregation.
When I say intimacy, caring or extended family, it doesn’t mean people are
necessarily nice to each other. It just means they’re genuine to each other.
They’re vulnerable; they’re exposed to each other. They accept diversity. Not
only that, they don’t let people change. They almost enforce diversity.
Somebody wants to be different than they used to be, and they still call them
by their old name and put them back in the old box. They accept characters and
they accept “kinkiness.” It’s just part of who somebody is.
What about the expectations of a new pastor coming into a church
like this, especially if they feel they can make that small church grow?
It’s a different kind of experience because in the large congregation you
can join a group. In the small congregation, you have to join the whole thing.
In fact, it’s a lot more difficult to join the whole culture than it is to join
a particular activity. Furthermore, you can’t earn your way in. One of the
things that small churches do is exploit energy of outsiders as organizers, but
never let them into the group. Yes, they can grow but they grow in a different
style. They grow by adoption – people join the past, not the future. The pastor
has got to help the church open up the past and be proud of it, before any
joining takes place.
Carl, years back I heard a figure concerning small groups saying
that about 11 percent growth in one year was about the most they could handle.
Small congregations can only absorb as many people as they can get to know.
That means you introduce them fairly slowly. I’ve heard pastors tell me that
they could take in half a dozens families a year, but that’s about all they
could get in. The point is that they don’t grow fast, but they grow intimately.
They want to know everything about the person. The nature of the small church
is that they know, or they think they know, everything there is about everybody
else. Or they’ll want to know it, or they’ll invent it.
You can make or help a small church to grow if they are willing to give up
the essential character of being small. If you can break the church up into
groups, if they will permit groups to exist in which they don’t know everybody,
they can grow. And you can break them up by fracturing them, but that destroys
the thing that many people like about being part of a small church. So they’ll
fight it something awful, and they’ll fight it on a very emotional basis. The
small church is hard to kill. One executive said to me, “They won’t grow and
they won’t go away. They just stay there.” Sometimes they even come back in a
different form. What sustains small churches is not organizational structure or
even finances. Emotional ties sustain them, and that’s pretty powerful stuff.
They can be rational about wanting to change, and still not able to do it.
Summarize the simple "graces" of the small congregation.
What do small congregations in the city in particular, have to teach experts
who seek steady, even exponential growth?
In some sense, they can’t teach them much of anything. The graces of the
small church generally get in the way of growth. Now large churches can have
intimate groups so long as they’re separate little cells to themselves. Large
churches can have the strength of caring if they’ll put it into “caring cells.”
But the small church is all one cell. Small churches can emphasize the
uniqueness of individuals, and not make people conform either organizationally
or structurally. Small churches have an affinity for “kinky” people.
Small churches are generally larger than their membership, and large
churches are generally smaller than their membership. That suggests that small
churches can grow by something like “kindred spirits.” Which is to say, having
an extended membership – an extended group that’s already part of the
membership, but doesn’t belong. In many cases, there are “vicarious members” –
people that belong to the church by somebody else. Small churches can engender
that consciousness.
Small churches have a kind of authenticity that’s very appealing to many
people. They have a kind of earthiness and a natural sense of ecology of the
rhythm of the soil and the soul. I think they have a kind of biblical basis and
foundation. They’re not into great flights of spiritual worthiness. Rather it’s
a kind of down-home, basic stuff.
America's cities have always been complex places. Do present urban
dynamics (city zoning, big money, increasing technology) allow for continued
small church ministry? Or, will more people simply either go downtown, or out
to the suburbs for their spiritual needs?
Small churches have a sense of turf, which is related to that earthiness I
was just talking about. They dig in, they tend to be very neighborhood, very
local and specific in their focus. Now, that can be, and often becomes a kind
of ethnic, racial, cultural enclave – our kind of people. But often the church
sees itself as a journeying congregation, a pilgrim people, where they’ve been
on a journey and they want to accept anybody else that’s been on their journey.
They can often share that with another culture. But it’s not the liberal notion
of pluralism. It’s a pluralism where people are named by their idiosyncrasies.
People can also be called and named by their ethnic backgrounds; and it’s not
an insult. It’s an affirmation to be somebody different in a group that accepts
differences. I think small churches are really good at that in some urban
neighborhoods where there’s a collection of humanity looking like the United
Nations. They’ve got one big umbrella, but they keep their own cultural
diversity as a gift. It’s not so self-conscious as liberals saying, “Gee, we’re
all one.” It’s the recognition of their diversity that makes it possible for
small churches to keep going.
Are you seeing any denominations or traditions doing a better job
enhancing and supporting small church ministry than others?
I can’t point to any. Some denominations have produced very good literature that’s
been sensitive to small congregations. But a lot of denominational literature
urges small congregations to become something else, which I think is
counterproductive. Some small churches can grow, but a lot of them are just not
gonna grow. To say, “You’re small, but you really ought to be bigger,” doesn’t
help much. But some denominations have put out some literature that’s really
very affirming of the caring qualities of small congregations.
My reservations are that printed materials aren’t all that persuasive within
the oral culture of small congregations. Some of the most effective things are
done by denominational staff people, local and regional, who really know these
characters. In fact, the most effective denominational people are those who know
the church so well that when they come they can tell stories about the leading
characters in the local church. And when they really know the church well, the
stories often have just a tinge of something shady in them. Everybody can laugh
about it! It’s fun and it affirms the earthiness of the small church. Now I
don’t know where we’re training those kind of denominational people, because
the dominant theme (and income) comes from the large, more efficient and more
organizational style of churches.
Carl, you've studied, and written about, small congregations for a
long time. Will you continue to do that in formal (or informal) ways?
Well, this last spring, I took what was a 30-year-old book and rewrote it
(“Effective Small Churches for the 21st Century”). I rewrote it with a lot of
new material that I’ve found accessible. One of the things that’s very
interesting is how many of these small church pastors, disproportionately have
access on the web to all sorts of new resources. When you compare it, you’d think
that the large church with its highly technical staff would be quicker on the
web, but in fact, by proportion of pastors, the number of small church pastors
that use the computer and its tools is proportionately higher.
Any standard (or unsolicited) question or word of encouragement that
you like to offer pastors in small urban churches around America?
I don’t have a standard word, but I do have an observation. The small church
pastor learns about the whole world by going deeper into the lives of the people
in their immediate community. And the deeper that you go with any one person,
the more universal the experience is apt to be. Small church pastors have
access to that in ways that many organizational and program-driven pastors
don’t. There’s an openness and fullness of knowing the lives of your people
that just never happens in larger churches. And it’s a grace, a great gift.